Discussion:
Is Trinity a Lesbian?
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Sean
2004-08-17 13:58:14 UTC
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Recently I ran across (but didn't bookmark) some commentary
to that effect. I can't seem to find it again, but a quick
Google search found the following:

So what's disturbing about all this? On the surface, there is
nothing, and it is a wonderful movie where the good guys are
wonderfully diverse: there is racial diversity, sexual diversity,
including male, female, and one wonderfully ambiguous character
appropriately named "Switch," while the character Trinity seems
trendily lesbian -- she favors black leather (or is it plastic?)
when in the Matrix, and short-cropped black hair, and is
one ferocious kick-boxer...
---- http://www.theafrican.com/Magazine/matrix.htm


Carrie Anne Moss, who plays Trinity, does not conform
to stereotypical Hollywood images of attractiveness,
in that she does not have huge breasts, she has short
dark hair and though she is striking to look at
(and I believe once modelled) she is not little-girl pretty.
Martyn Palmer suggests that Trinity is a gay (sic) icon
linking this to her catsuit, sunglasses and 'mannish haircut'.
---- http://www.thefword.org.uk/reviews/films/holytrinity.live


Trinity as "fag-hag"

Professor Pookster has argued, rather convincingly, that "Every
fag has a fag-hag." At least that's the argument she always gives
me for why she spends so much time with her friend Sean. The
fag-hag is typically a single, frequently bitter, young woman
of about the subject man's age who spends a lot of time eating
and shopping with the man. She will act as his beard when his
parents come over and at office parties. She will sometimes be
the committee of one before whom he submits potential lovers
for approval (before disregarding her advice and sleeping with
the potential lover anyway).

The role of Trinity (played by ex-model Carrie-Ann Moss) serves
this purpose in the Matrix. Think about it. It's her job to go
and fetch Neo. It's her job to make sure Neo is not a threat to
her close friend Morpheus. And all the while she pines for young
Neo, wishing that circumstances were different, and only having
the courage to kiss him when there is no chance that he will know
he's been kissed. When Neo is briefly convinced by The Oracle
that he "is not" it is Trinity who worries about how Morpheus
will take it.
---- http://www.epinions.com/content_28377714308

Sean
PouchCotato
2004-08-17 15:23:37 UTC
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<snip nonsensical article>

First point, and probably the biggest: Trinity was in love with Neo...a man
named Neo, AKA Thomas Anderson.

Second: Just because she looks like a lesbian, doesn't mean that she is. She
also looks like a rough-nut, who has the balls to stand up for herself. It
just so happens that the two stereo-types co-inside with each other.

Neo's not really conforming to the 'stereo typical hero' either, is he? He's
a bit of a skinny 'computer nerd' stereotype more than he is a super hero.
He doesn't even have a six-pack for crying out loud.

Stereotypes are a guide that film makers use when they don't really want to
introduce the character in any great detail, they just want you to assume
things. The Wachowski Bros. do not use this. They didn't in bound either,
not in the traditional sense anyways.

Everything here is all IMO.

-PouchCotato
Gavin Smith
2004-08-17 15:33:21 UTC
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Post by PouchCotato
<snip nonsensical article>
First point, and probably the biggest: Trinity was in love with Neo...a man
named Neo, AKA Thomas Anderson.
Second: Just because she looks like a lesbian, doesn't mean that she is. She
also looks like a rough-nut, who has the balls to stand up for herself. It
just so happens that the two stereo-types co-inside with each other.
Neo's not really conforming to the 'stereo typical hero' either, is he? He's
a bit of a skinny 'computer nerd' stereotype more than he is a super hero.
He doesn't even have a six-pack for crying out loud.
Stereotypes are a guide that film makers use when they don't really want to
introduce the character in any great detail, they just want you to assume
things. The Wachowski Bros. do not use this. They didn't in bound either,
not in the traditional sense anyways.
Everything here is all IMO.
Spoilsport.

:)
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JPM III
2004-08-18 05:46:35 UTC
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--- PouchCotato wrote: ---
Post by PouchCotato
<snip nonsensical article>
First point, and probably the biggest: Trinity was in love with
Neo...a man named Neo, AKA Thomas Anderson.
Second: Just because she looks like a lesbian, doesn't mean that she
is. She also looks like a rough-nut, who has the balls to stand up
for herself. It just so happens that the two stereo-types co-inside
with each other.
"...has the balls..." ...hence the lesbian tendencies!
Melloccino
2004-08-17 17:13:41 UTC
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Post by Sean
-- http://www.thefword.org.uk/reviews/films/holytrinity.live
Man, quote the entire paragraph for "thefword's" sake! When speaking of
Carrie-Anne Moss, Sandfield suggests that Palmer "place[es] all the
emphasis on appearance... [making] a stereotypical connection between
short hair and feminism ...".

"...
Carrie Anne Moss, who plays Trinity, does not conform to stereotypical
Hollywood images of attractiveness, in that she does not have huge
breasts, she has short dark hair and though she is striking to look at
(and I believe once modelled) she is not little-girl pretty. Martyn
Palmer suggests that Trinity is a gay (sic) icon linking this to her
catsuit, sunglasses and 'mannish haircut'. I think she is an eminently
qualified screen icon for lesbian and heterosexual women but I believe
the writer is wrong to place all the emphasis on appearance. He makes a
stereotypical connection between short hair and lesbianism, failing to
examine the appeal of the role. Throughout both films she performs feats
of great physical agility and exertion. She is where the action is, she
runs, fights, drives, rides a bike - and it is my belief that portrayals
of women who are active and involved in the business of life are
positive. Trinity is not decorative (even in PVC) as women often are in
the media, particularly women in action films - she is meaningfully
involved.
..."

That is, 'meaningfully involved' does not necessarily equate to lesbian
character.

Even in the face of clearly contrary evidence throughout the trilogy
(i.e. symbolism aside for the time being), cultural relativism seems to
predispose many men (and some women, for that matter) to the belief that
the character of Trinity is a lesbian.
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Melloccino
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"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of"
JPM III
2004-08-18 05:45:33 UTC
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--- Sean wrote: ---
Post by Sean
Recently I ran across (but didn't bookmark) some commentary
to that effect. I can't seem to find it again, but a quick
So what's disturbing about all this? On the surface, there is
nothing, and it is a wonderful movie where the good guys are
wonderfully diverse: there is racial diversity, sexual diversity,
including male, female, and one wonderfully ambiguous character
appropriately named "Switch," while the character Trinity seems
trendily lesbian -- she favors black leather (or is it plastic?)
when in the Matrix, and short-cropped black hair, and is
one ferocious kick-boxer...
---- http://www.theafrican.com/Magazine/matrix.htm
It's vinyl (not leather or plastic). Her residual self-image definitely
appears to favor the my internal stereotype of the city-club
lesbian/bisexual look. She's hotter in the "real world."
Post by Sean
Carrie Anne Moss, who plays Trinity, does not conform
to stereotypical Hollywood images of attractiveness,
in that she does not have huge breasts, she has short
dark hair and though she is striking to look at
(and I believe once modelled) she is not little-girl pretty.
Martyn Palmer suggests that Trinity is a gay (sic) icon
linking this to her catsuit, sunglasses and 'mannish haircut'.
---- http://www.thefword.org.uk/reviews/films/holytrinity.live
Carrie-Anne Moss is in my top five list of most attractive celebrities (FYI,
all on my list are female).
Post by Sean
Trinity as "fag-hag"
Professor Pookster has argued, rather convincingly, that "Every
fag has a fag-hag." At least that's the argument she always gives
me for why she spends so much time with her friend Sean. The
fag-hag is typically a single, frequently bitter, young woman
of about the subject man's age who spends a lot of time eating
and shopping with the man. She will act as his beard when his
parents come over and at office parties. She will sometimes be
the committee of one before whom he submits potential lovers
for approval (before disregarding her advice and sleeping with
the potential lover anyway).
The role of Trinity (played by ex-model Carrie-Ann Moss) serves
this purpose in the Matrix. Think about it. It's her job to go
and fetch Neo. It's her job to make sure Neo is not a threat to
her close friend Morpheus. And all the while she pines for young
Neo, wishing that circumstances were different, and only having
the courage to kiss him when there is no chance that he will know
he's been kissed. When Neo is briefly convinced by The Oracle
that he "is not" it is Trinity who worries about how Morpheus
will take it.
---- http://www.epinions.com/content_28377714308
She knows he knows he's been kissed, and he knows she loves her, and
therefore he finds the courage to be who he is "destined" (right?) to be. So
Neo and Trinity didn't win, as we clearly saw in Revolutions. Love won, and
it took both their lives to do it.
Sean
2004-08-18 14:05:33 UTC
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Post by JPM III
It's vinyl (not leather or plastic). Her residual self-image definitely
appears to favor the my internal stereotype of the city-club
lesbian/bisexual look. She's hotter in the "real world."
Carrie-Anne Moss is in my top five list of most attractive celebrities (FYI,
all on my list are female).
Thanks for your comments... now I'm curious who the other four are.

Sean
Melloccino
2004-08-19 03:01:02 UTC
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Post by Sean
Post by JPM III
It's vinyl (not leather or plastic). Her residual self-image
definitely appears to favor the my internal stereotype of the
city-club lesbian/bisexual look. She's hotter in the "real world."
Carrie-Anne Moss is in my top five list of most attractive
celebrities (FYI, all on my list are female).
Thanks for your comments... now I'm curious who the other four are.
I believe that Natalie Portman would be on his list. Or not. JPM?
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JPM III
2004-08-18 17:46:56 UTC
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Post by Melloccino
Post by Sean
Post by JPM III
It's vinyl (not leather or plastic). Her residual self-image
definitely appears to favor the my internal stereotype of the
city-club lesbian/bisexual look. She's hotter in the "real world."
Carrie-Anne Moss is in my top five list of most attractive
celebrities (FYI, all on my list are female).
Thanks for your comments... now I'm curious who the other four are.
I believe that Natalie Portman would be on his list. Or not. JPM?
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M.
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Just posted in response to your other post. Not a list, per se, but I listed
five others.
Melloccino
2004-08-19 02:51:37 UTC
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Post by JPM III
Carrie-Anne Moss is in my top five list of most attractive
celebrities (FYI, all on my list are female).
Most attractive, huh? Never one for the understatement now, are you JPM?

I believe your original words, during your time here, including the
following gems:

"... Damn Carrie-Anne Moss is hot ..."

"... I have a crush on Carrie-Anne Moss ..."

"... Carrie-Anne Moss is the hottest woman in the Matrix..."

" ... [H]ot as hell in Memento..."

"... I'd take Carrie-Anne Moss...."

"... That woman is distilled sex in a sex-shaped container..."

Says it all, really! LOL Please don't tell me you're over your crush, or
that Carrie-Anne was only ever #5 on your top 5 list. And I'm glad that
your list is all woman, btw. Not sure if it's good for the women on the
list, though. =-P
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JPM III
2004-08-18 17:46:17 UTC
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Post by JPM III
Carrie-Anne Moss is in my top five list of most attractive
celebrities (FYI, all on my list are female).
Most attractive, huh? Never one for the understatement now, are you JPM?
I believe your original words, during your time here, including the
"... Damn Carrie-Anne Moss is hot ..."
"... I have a crush on Carrie-Anne Moss ..."
"... Carrie-Anne Moss is the hottest woman in the Matrix..."
" ... [H]ot as hell in Memento..."
"... I'd take Carrie-Anne Moss...."
"... That woman is distilled sex in a sex-shaped container..."
Says it all, really! LOL Please don't tell me you're over your crush,
or that Carrie-Anne was only ever #5 on your top 5 list. And I'm glad
that your list is all woman, btw. Not sure if it's good for the women
on the list, though. =-P
"Are you stalking me? 'Cause that would be super!"

Well she's definitely still the hottest woman in the Matrix! Other female
celebrities that I find more physically attractive than almost any other for
reasons I may or may not be able to explain, but won't anyway: Britney
Spears, Scarlet Johansson, Keira Knightley, Natalie Portman, Jennifer
Garner.

Keep in mind, of course, that Knightley and Portman look so alike that some
guys might mistake them for the same woman, as their own mothers did on the
set of Attack of the Clones.

I don't think I can definitively say that any one of them is absolutely the
most attractive one of the group, so make your own judgments on them and
decide who's hottest. :)

Don't question how Moss can be in my top five among six women when I don't
know my own ranking scheme. It doesn't matter. :-P
JPM III
2004-08-18 17:47:29 UTC
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Post by Melloccino
Post by JPM III
Carrie-Anne Moss is in my top five list of most attractive
celebrities (FYI, all on my list are female).
Most attractive, huh? Never one for the understatement now, are you JPM?
I believe your original words, during your time here, including the
"... Damn Carrie-Anne Moss is hot ..."
"... I have a crush on Carrie-Anne Moss ..."
"... Carrie-Anne Moss is the hottest woman in the Matrix..."
" ... [H]ot as hell in Memento..."
"... I'd take Carrie-Anne Moss...."
"... That woman is distilled sex in a sex-shaped container..."
Says it all, really! LOL Please don't tell me you're over your
crush, or that Carrie-Anne was only ever #5 on your top 5 list. And
I'm glad that your list is all woman, btw. Not sure if it's good
for the women on the list, though. =-P
"Are you stalking me? 'Cause that would be super!"
Well she's definitely still the hottest woman in the Matrix! Other
female celebrities that I find more physically attractive than almost
any other for reasons I may or may not be able to explain, but won't
anyway: Britney Spears, Scarlet Johansson, Keira Knightley, Natalie
Portman, Jennifer Garner.
Keep in mind, of course, that Knightley and Portman look so alike
that some guys might mistake them for the same woman, as their own
mothers did on the set of Attack of the Clones.
I don't think I can definitively say that any one of them is
absolutely the most attractive one of the group, so make your own
judgments on them and decide who's hottest. :)
Don't question how Moss can be in my top five among six women when I
don't know my own ranking scheme. It doesn't matter. :-P
Oh, goodness, and Sarah Clarke. Good lord she's hot.
Melloccino
2004-08-19 02:10:17 UTC
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Post by Melloccino
Says it all, really! LOL Please don't tell me you're over your crush,
or that Carrie-Anne was only ever #5 on your top 5 list. And I'm glad
that your list is all woman, btw. Not sure if it's good for the women
on the list, though. =-P
"Are you stalking me? 'Cause that would be super!"
Sure, why not. Apparently it's all I ever do when you're around... it is
not, and I actually suspect you know this, and felt that
this was a great opportunity to obfuscate and keep on trolling.

LMAO...
Post by JPM III
Well she's definitely still the hottest woman in the Matrix! Other
female celebrities that I find more physically attractive than almost
any other for reasons I may or may not be able to explain, but won't
anyway: Britney Spears, Scarlet Johansson, Keira Knightley, Natalie
Portman, Jennifer Garner.
Hmmm, not so sure of the Spears thing, as with Knightley or Garner. The
Portman thing is understandable, though, if only for her intelligence.
Post by JPM III
Keep in mind, of course, that Knightley and Portman look so alike
that some guys might mistake them for the same woman, as their own
mothers did on the set of Attack of the Clones.
I've not noticed the similarity til now. I guess they are a bit alike.
Post by JPM III
I don't think I can definitively say that any one of them is
absolutely the most attractive one of the group, so make your own
judgments on them and decide who's hottest. :)
How Elisha Cuthbert isn't on your list, I don't know. Why, JPM? How can
that be?
Post by JPM III
Don't question how Moss can be in my top five among six women when I
don't know my own ranking scheme. It doesn't matter. :-P
The ranking scheme... I could imagine a convo about this going something
along the lines of the following:

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*Mello picks up JPM's 'list', and quizzingly asks...*

Mello: What's this? Chronological?

JPM: No.

Mello: Not alphabetical!? *cringes*

JPM: Nope.

Mello: What???

JPM: Autobiographical. *crosses arms smugly*

Mello: No fucking way!

JPM: Yep! i can tell you how I got from Kiera Knightley to Natalie
Portman in just 25 moves.

Mello: Oh my god!

JPM: ... and, if i wanted to find Britney Spears when I'm lonely, i have
to remember that i filed away her address in the fall of 2001 pile but i
didn't use it for personal reasons.

Mello: That sounds ...

JPM: Comforting.

Mello: Yes. *confused about the Spears thing, but nods anyway*

JPM: It is...................
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You're an interesting character, JPM. Just add Elisha Cuthbert to the
list so we can all understand you a bit better. Please?
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2004-08-19 08:08:11 UTC
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Post by Melloccino
You're an interesting character, JPM. Just add Elisha Cuthbert to the
list so we can all understand you a bit better. Please?
Having recently watched the entire third series of 24 on DVD in less
than a week, and spent a fair amount of time staring at Ms. Cuthbert as
a consequence, I feel qualified to say that she's got a funny nose, and
some acne scarring, which makes me wonder if she's going to look like
Charles Bukowski when she's old. I think she'd make a good Sue Richards
in the Fantastic Four movie, though.

My list of most attractive celebrities, incidentally, would have Kate
Hudson at #1, by something approaching a country mile.
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Melloccino
2004-08-19 11:40:55 UTC
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Post by Gavin Smith
Having recently watched the entire third series of 24 on DVD in less
than a week, and spent a fair amount of time staring at Ms. Cuthbert
as a consequence, I feel qualified to say that she's got a funny
nose, and some acne scarring...
You have a BMs (Cuthbert), like a PhD?

I haven't seen a single episode of 24, though, and even though I'm not
sure about the funny nose etc., if you say so then that's good enough
for me.
Post by Gavin Smith
which makes me wonder if she's going to
look like Charles Bukowski when she's old.
My list of most attractive celebrities, incidentally, would have Kate
Hudson at #1, by something approaching a country mile.
See, Kate Hudson is my version of your Cuthbert, in that I think she is
a little strange looking (eyes far apart). Quite a funny actress,
though. Kate Beckinsale is an interesting actress, rather attractive but
maybe not at first glance for some (similar for Julie Delpy, Alison
Lohman [e.g. Big Fish], or Audrey Tautou, for example).

O/T The bases for physical development of female/ male 'beauty' is
pretty interesting from an evolutionary, psychological, and sociological
viewpoint.

*Mello turns back into a ignorant, Jim Beam swilling hick*
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PouchCotato
2004-08-19 12:59:27 UTC
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Post by Gavin Smith
Having recently watched the entire third series of 24 on DVD in less
than a week, and spent a fair amount of time staring at Ms. Cuthbert
as a consequence, I feel qualified to say that she's got a funny
nose, and some acne scarring...
You have a BMs (Cuthbert), like a PhD?
I haven't seen a single episode of 24, though, and even though I'm not
sure about the funny nose etc., if you say so then that's good enough
for me.
Post by Gavin Smith
which makes me wonder if she's going to
look like Charles Bukowski when she's old.
My list of most attractive celebrities, incidentally, would have Kate
Hudson at #1, by something approaching a country mile.
See, Kate Hudson is my version of your Cuthbert, in that I think she
is a little strange looking (eyes far apart). Quite a funny actress,
though. Kate Beckinsale is an interesting actress, rather attractive
but maybe not at first glance for some (similar for Julie Delpy,
Alison Lohman [e.g. Big Fish], or Audrey Tautou, for example).
O/T The bases for physical development of female/ male 'beauty' is
pretty interesting from an evolutionary, psychological, and
sociological viewpoint.
*Mello turns back into a ignorant, Jim Beam swilling hick*
I was watching a documentary the other night (well, bits of it), and it was
all about beauty. It had John Cleese and Elizabeth Hurley as the narrators.
What they said was that all beautiful people have a similar make-up to their
face, and they had this 'template' that you can put over a picture of a
face. It was quite interesting. The template was made up of all triangles
and things, and these are based upon a mathematical formulae that states the
width of the nose is X times as long as the edge of the nose to the edge of
the face, and things like that. 'Ugly' people don't have this trait.

I found some things on it here, and by chance they had something on
Albino-ism from The Matrix. How was that for coincidence?
http://itsb.ucsf.edu/~vcr/SkinterviewLob.html

I haven't been able to find anything about the mathematical equation...until
right now...

http://www.beautyanalysis.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Omegaman_UK/beauty.html

I haven't read all of what's on these two pages, but it looks like what I'm
talking about, especially beautyanalysis.

Well, how's that for a tangent, Mello. Don't get too rooted reading it all
;) haha, yes, I read all!

-PouchCotato
Melloccino
2004-08-19 15:06:08 UTC
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Post by PouchCotato
I was watching a documentary the other night (well, bits of it), and
it was all about beauty. It had John Cleese and Elizabeth Hurley as
the narrators. What they said was that all beautiful people have a
similar make-up to their face, and they had this 'template' that you
can put over a picture of a face. It was quite interesting. The
template was made up of all triangles and things, and these are based
upon a mathematical formulae that states the width of the nose is X
times as long as the edge of the nose to the edge of the face, and
things like that. 'Ugly' people don't have this trait.
Marquardt's templates. Interesting thing is that, when compiling his
research & continually developed the template, he found that it's pretty
much cross-cultural; researchers in other fields have found similar
cross-cultural similarities (e.g. Buss in sexual preferences). So many
implications involving social relationships, evolution and so on. (e.g 1
of 1000's - if our concepts of 'beauty' are somewhat 'natural/ innate'
[cf. Jung's collected consciousness & archetypes], & cross-cultural,
social processes are probably largely responsible for warping those
innate concepts, rendering most of us 'skin deep').
Post by PouchCotato
I found some things on it here, and by chance they had something on
Albino-ism from The Matrix. How was that for coincidence?
http://itsb.ucsf.edu/~vcr/SkinterviewLob.html
Hahahahaha...

"We don't call them albinos. They're dead. That's why they're pale." (WB
spokesperson defending the twins)
Post by PouchCotato
Well, how's that for a tangent, Mello. Don't get too rooted reading
it all ;) haha, yes, I read all!
Hey, get into it, that's all I can say. Start and you'll never stop =-)

If you want to read more, check your e-mail, Pouch! Or not.
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Gavin Smith
2004-08-20 09:33:04 UTC
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Post by PouchCotato
I found some things on it here, and by chance they had something on
Albino-ism from The Matrix. How was that for coincidence?
http://itsb.ucsf.edu/~vcr/SkinterviewLob.html
Hahahahaha...
"We don't call them albinos. They're dead. That's why they're pale." (WB
spokesperson defending the twins)
Ignoring the Albino aspect - so they're 'just' ghosts? That's a shame. I
was reading about the Merovingian mythos recently and there's an old
story about Gods and humans breeding which resulted in the creation of
hybrid beings, some of whom were white skinned.

Darn. I guess "dead" will have to do.
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Gavin Smith
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JPM III
2004-08-19 16:50:47 UTC
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Post by PouchCotato
Elizabeth Hurley
Nine. How I could ever forget this beauty is beyond my comprehension.
Post by PouchCotato
I haven't been able to find anything about the mathematical
equation...until right now...
http://www.beautyanalysis.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Omegaman_UK/beauty.html
I haven't read all of what's on these two pages, but it looks like
what I'm talking about, especially beautyanalysis.
Well, how's that for a tangent, Mello. Don't get too rooted reading
it all ;) haha, yes, I read all!
Talk about things that make you go "hmm"...
JPM III
2004-08-19 16:49:42 UTC
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Post by Melloccino
Kate Beckinsale
Make that eight in my top five.
JPM III
2004-08-19 16:48:32 UTC
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Post by JPM III
Post by Melloccino
Says it all, really! LOL Please don't tell me you're over your
crush, or that Carrie-Anne was only ever #5 on your top 5 list.
And I'm glad that your list is all woman, btw. Not sure if it's
good for the women on the list, though. =-P
"Are you stalking me? 'Cause that would be super!"
Sure, why not. Apparently it's all I ever do when you're around... it
is not, and I actually suspect you know this, and felt that
this was a great opportunity to obfuscate and keep on trolling.
LMAO...
Post by JPM III
Well she's definitely still the hottest woman in the Matrix! Other
female celebrities that I find more physically attractive than
almost any other for reasons I may or may not be able to explain,
but won't anyway: Britney Spears, Scarlet Johansson, Keira
Knightley, Natalie Portman, Jennifer Garner.
Hmmm, not so sure of the Spears thing, as with Knightley or Garner.
The Portman thing is understandable, though, if only for her
intelligence.
Yeah. I've read a couple of her letters to the Harvard school newspaper (The
Crimson, I think). She's a brain, which makes her all the more attractive.
There are a couple others who fall into that category. But, er, the girls I
listed above were ranked for sheer physical qualities. And HOLY CRAP I left
out Uma Thurman. So add Uma Thurman. I now have seven in my top five. And
they're all invited. :-)
Post by Melloccino
Post by JPM III
Keep in mind, of course, that Knightley and Portman look so alike
that some guys might mistake them for the same woman, as their own
mothers did on the set of Attack of the Clones.
I've not noticed the similarity til now. I guess they are a bit alike.
As I said, their own mothers couldn't tell them apart on the SW2 set.
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Post by JPM III
I don't think I can definitively say that any one of them is
absolutely the most attractive one of the group, so make your own
judgments on them and decide who's hottest. :)
How Elisha Cuthbert isn't on your list, I don't know. Why, JPM? How
can that be?
She's... not that hot? Top 20, I suppose. It's not like I keep a running
list though.
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Post by JPM III
Don't question how Moss can be in my top five among six women when I
don't know my own ranking scheme. It doesn't matter. :-P
The ranking scheme... I could imagine a convo about this going
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*Mello picks up JPM's 'list', and quizzingly asks...*
Mello: What's this? Chronological?
JPM: No.
Mello: Not alphabetical!? *cringes*
JPM: Nope.
Mello: What???
JPM: Autobiographical. *crosses arms smugly*
Mello: No fucking way!
JPM: Yep! i can tell you how I got from Kiera Knightley to Natalie
Portman in just 25 moves.
Mello: Oh my god!
JPM: ... and, if i wanted to find Britney Spears when I'm lonely, i
have to remember that i filed away her address in the fall of 2001
pile but i didn't use it for personal reasons.
Mello: That sounds ...
JPM: Comforting.
Mello: Yes. *confused about the Spears thing, but nods anyway*
JPM: It is...................
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You're an interesting character, JPM. Just add Elisha Cuthbert to the
list so we can all understand you a bit better. Please?
I prefer to remain a mystery, and I believe keeping Cuthbert off my list
supports that purpose nicely. So off she goes. (And off with her clothes
would be nice too, but that's neither here nor there.)

And just so we're clear, there is one particular ex-girlfriend of mine that
I would rank more highly than any girl I've ever seen. I don't know what her
interest was in me or why I didn't work harder to preserve that
relationship, but I'm certain that she'll go on to be a supermodel or
Playboy Playmate or something later in life... and I'll regret being a
stupid boy at age 19.
NWLB
2004-08-25 16:39:48 UTC
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Until this thread, the entire lesbian idea had not even crossed my
mind. However having watched it again last night, suddenly I had to
wonder. Not because I think in ways that dispose me to believe it, but
because I had to consider the Bros.'s thing for dark dressing lesbian
types from their previous movies. With a movie intended for the
main-stream such as the Matrix, I'm not sure they would have played up
that aspect, were that even what they intended to imply. It is
interesting to consider though, if that is why Trinity seems to
perplexed as she tries to explain to Neo what the Oracle had told her.
If in the Bros. mind, she were intended to be a lesbian, being told
that she would fall in love with a man, would seem impossible.

In the end, it really doesn't have any effect on the story, and is
maybe, at most, a curious thought.
Gavin Smith
2004-08-27 13:29:54 UTC
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Post by NWLB
Until this thread, the entire lesbian idea had not even crossed my
mind. However having watched it again last night, suddenly I had to
wonder. Not because I think in ways that dispose me to believe it, but
because I had to consider the Bros.'s thing for dark dressing lesbian
types from their previous movies.
I don't think that their one previous movie can be used to suggest that
they have a 'thing' for dark dressing lesbian types. It hardly
constitutes an on-going theme. More likely in the case of Bound that it
was an attention grabbing technique, since the declared intent of the
film was something akin to a calling card. Having said *that*...
Post by NWLB
It is
interesting to consider though, if that is why Trinity seems to
perplexed as she tries to explain to Neo what the Oracle had told her.
If in the Bros. mind, she were intended to be a lesbian, being told
that she would fall in love with a man, would seem impossible.
... that's a neat idea, regardless.
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NWLB
2004-08-27 16:53:24 UTC
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Maybe its not really a theme as such, but you have to admit, Bound and
The Matrix share some of the same flavor. You'd think of the two-had
you seen them, even if you didn't already know the who the directors
were.

IF you want to play mind games, you could note how in Chasing Amy, the
blonde plays a lesbian that has a fling with a guy, before going back
to the other side. In Bound the same woman plays a blonde lesbian
sleeping with a guy for her own gain, but also sleep swith a dark
haired lesbian, which looks like Trinity.

In any case, I wouldn't be unwilling to believe that the Bros. didn't
write it into the script explicitly, but might have had some thought to
Trinity being a lesbian. Given their style, its far from being truly
out of the question.
Gavin Smith
2004-08-31 12:24:00 UTC
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Post by NWLB
IF you want to play mind games, you could note how in Chasing Amy, the
blonde plays a lesbian that has a fling with a guy, before going back
to the other side. In Bound the same woman plays a blonde lesbian
sleeping with a guy for her own gain, but also sleep swith a dark
haired lesbian, which looks like Trinity.
That's a mind game that kind of falls on it's sword when you take into
account that Joey Lauren Adams and Jennifer Tilly are, in fact,
different women... :)
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NWLB
2004-08-31 16:42:56 UTC
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Uh, hmmm, ah! There is no blonde!
Not like I'd kick either out of my bedroom.
Gavin Smith
2004-09-01 08:53:34 UTC
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Post by NWLB
Uh, hmmm, ah! There is no blonde!
Not like I'd kick either out of my bedroom.
Well, alright. Consensus at last! :)
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