How did Neo end up in the Trainman's prison construct?

[JPM III]

Neo visited the Architect and "touched the Source".

After rescuing Trinity and reuniting with Morpheus, Link could see them all
on his Matrix screens, but could not recognize Neo.

When the sentinels attacked the Nebuchadnezzar, Neo knew what they were up
to ("it's a bomb! we have to get out of here, now!"), and moments later he
could "feel" the sentinels just before he supposedly destroyed them.

As soon as that moment passed, he was trapped in the Trainman's prison. But
how did he actually get there? Who or what put him there? Was it the
Architect? Was it the Merovingian? Was it the Trainman? Or was it some other
retrieval program acting through the sentinels that we all thought Neo was
stopping?



(Please, let's avoid the question of how he connected to the Matrix and why
he needed to be physically disconnected later. We can ask that another
time!)

[dion]

Ahh..been while since i've been into one of these groups. I used to be
a part of some of the biggest discussions here and in a yahoo group
(different name there; Vish)....but then life happenned :).

Hell..I'm back !!

That's a good question though. One I have wondered about a few times
too.

I think Neo after the architect meeting could feel anything code or
machine based (which explains his sentinel destroying capabilities as
well as the post-eye-burning vision)...but when he destroys those
sentinels at the end of reloaded, he comes too near to the source.Maybe
he wasn't expecting it or wasn't strong enough to come in direct mental
contact with the "big one"...or as the Oracle says "He wasn't ready for
it"...

So he probably gets like mental shock, and just like a physical shock
throws you around (think ... a big electric shock)..his mind was thrown
off violently. But couldn't quite reach the matrix (morpheus thinks he
did because he insistes on scanning again for him within the
matrix)...but he goes about half the way in...to the train station that
lies between the two worlds.

Mind you all this is purely my own speculation/explanation...no flames
for it :)

chill
Dion

[JPM III]

Post by dion
Ahh..been while since i've been into one of these groups. I used to be
a part of some of the biggest discussions here and in a yahoo group
(different name there; Vish)....but then life happenned :).
Hell..I'm back !!
That's a good question though. One I have wondered about a few times
too.
I think Neo after the architect meeting could feel anything code or
machine based (which explains his sentinel destroying capabilities as
well as the post-eye-burning vision)...but when he destroys those
sentinels at the end of reloaded, he comes too near to the
source.Maybe he wasn't expecting it or wasn't strong enough to come
in direct mental contact with the "big one"...or as the Oracle says
"He wasn't ready for it"...
So he probably gets like mental shock, and just like a physical shock
throws you around (think ... a big electric shock)..his mind was
thrown off violently. But couldn't quite reach the matrix (morpheus
thinks he did because he insistes on scanning again for him within the
matrix)...but he goes about half the way in...to the train station
that lies between the two worlds.
Mind you all this is purely my own speculation/explanation...no flames
for it :)

I like the way you arranged this theory of yours. Although much of what you
say can't be proven within the context of the films, it stands as much
chance of being at least part of the correct explanation as any other idea.

There are those in this group who would dismiss your idea just because there
is no actual evidence for it, but I actually like new speculative ideas. I
like to keep an open mind to new ideas, not a closed one against anything
that isn't explained. :-p

[dion]

hmmm..far as i thought...the second paragraph of my explanation was
actually assumption in some part...However most of the stuff in the
first paragraph was mentioned in the movie.
I admit I DID theorize in the second paragraph from all the other
"clues"...but they still ARE based on wot was said in the movie...

the first paragraph is what the oracle says essentially....that neo
touched the source and wasn't ready for it. Also he CAN see only the
(orange) machine stuff...and not trinity (remember he does not know
that trinity has been impaled and is about to die until he actually
feels it with his hands). That means he can FEEL the machines now
(sentinel destroying etc being a direct consequence of that).

As to why, when he touched the source, he got to the trainman's
place...the oracle says "he's STUCK between this world and the machine
world"...and she tells him (as I metioned before) that he wasn't ready
for the source...so i just put the two things together and came to a
comclusion really..
neo touches source can feel machines --- neo not ready to touch the
source -- neo gets a shock -- neo gets stuck between two worlds, which
is the train station used to smuggle people in and out.
I do admit it is still MY assumption...any other perspectives on this
would be interesting...

This is one of the reasons I dont understand why people hated
revolutions...the matrix movies were interesting BECAUSE they made you
think and discuss and be puzzled...and if they had solved everything in
revolutions...that would have been a boring end...at least not fit for
the trilogy. I like the way they have hinted at stuff and not really
given you everything on a platter...:)

chill
Dion/Vish

[Bernd Gramlich]

Post by JPM III
When the sentinels attacked the Nebuchadnezzar, Neo knew what they
were up to ("it's a bomb! we have to get out of here, now!"), and
moments later he could "feel" the sentinels just before he supposedly
destroyed them.
As soon as that moment passed, he was trapped in the Trainman's
prison. But how did he actually get there? Who or what put him there?
Was it the Architect? Was it the Merovingian? Was it the Trainman? Or
was it some other retrieval program acting through the sentinels that
we all thought Neo was stopping?

My understanding of Metropolitan Av. Station is that of the place where
rogue programs go in order to escape deletion. Neo behaved like a
rogue program because he did something he wasn't supposed to do -
stopping sentinels in the real world. Some source mechanism (probably
designed by the Architect) became aware of him and went after him, but
some other mechanism (most likely designed by the Trainman) rescued him
as it usually tried to do with other rogue programs.

Of course, the Architect would not have harmed (or deleted) Neo. But
nevertheless, Neo's action in the real world triggered some kind of
alarm which in turn enabled the Trainman to intervene.

A good deal of speculation in here, I admit. But I hope it makes some
sense.